Greenwald: 'Don't wait. Go for their jugular!'

Another weekend, and more brilliant commentary from one of the most insightful commentators/pundits out there: Glenn Greenwald.

Friday, it was: "Will the GOP's negativity produce a backlash?" Answering his rhetorical question, Greenwald says, unequivocally, "No!"


Every four years, the GOP unleashes unrestrained personality attacks on Democrats and exploits cultural resentments. Every four years, Democrats tell themselves that such attacks don't work and are counter-productive. And every four years, that belief is disproven. These "character" issues end up mattering largely because Democrats, in election after election, allow wars over "character" to be waged in a largely one-sided fashion.

Then, yesterday, here's Greenwald's take on the media, Palin, and anyone foolish enough to sit around waiting for the Rethug's to screw-up this cycle. His basic sentiment, 'With the U.S. media? Are you serious? Not gonna' happen...' And, IMHO, he's right. That's not a strategy, that's a setup for  our failure this year.

"The mighty, scary press corps." As Greewald explains it, for the most part, the U.S. press corps is comprised of a bunch of whimps.

On the Republican ticket's hoped-for (anticipated by some Democrats) alienation of the press corps:


Several people in comments suggest/hope that Palin's refusal to submit to press questioning will alienate journalists and make them more intent on investigating her and subjecting her claims to scrutiny. A healthy journalistic instinct would indeed produce that reaction. But is that what we have?

It isn't just that the Bush administration has been the most secretive in modern history (though it has been), but Dick Cheney seemed to take sadistic pleasure in purposely concealing from reporters even the most innocuous information, just to show he could. He even refused to say how many people worked in his office, or who worked there, or even where he was and what he was doing on any given day. Did that propel journalists to investigate him more aggressively or subject his claims to greater investigative scrutiny? Yes, that is a rhetorical question. A properly functioning press corps would become more adversarial and aggressive when treated with such contempt by the GOP. Ours becomes more browbeaten, more passive, more eager to please.

From personal experience on 25 campaigns, it's just a fact of life that the more you browbeat most (not all, but most) folks in the press, the more successful you are at furthering your own agenda. Greenwald's spot-on!

On the upcoming Charles Gibson interview with Palin on ABC:


It's not prescience when you simply describe the bleeding obvious. If I were a McCain adviser and wanted to have Palin sit with someone who is perceived as a "journalist" while knowing that no damage could possibly occur, I'd pick Charlie Gibson, too. There are many, many other equally good alternatives, but when it comes to wretched passivity and sycophantic establishment worship, the former "Good Morning America" host -- whose career was built on oozing amiability and inoffensiveness -- is as good as it gets.

I agree.  There are houseplants that would provide a more challenging interview forum for Sarah Palin than Charles Gibson!

Yes, the bottom line is the U.S. MSM is comprised, primarily, of a bunch of go-along-to-get-along, would-be journalists. So, deal with it Democrats!

Time to wise-up and kick some GOP'er ass for a change!



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"Polite" Democrats are sooo 2004! n/t (none / 0)


by bobswern on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:25:13 PM EST

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I think there are at least a number of things Gibson has got to ask about, so even if he does so in a nice amiable way and accepts her answers without challenge, at least she will be on the record with something. And when there aren't any good answers then nothing is always better than something.


by Mystylplx on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:30:46 PM EST

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That's what I thought until I realized that if nobody else is around to demand that she not lie, she'll do just that. The diarist is correct.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:38:03 AM EST
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Re: Greenwald: 'Don't wait. Go for their jugular!' (none / 0)

That's what I thought until I realized that if nobody else is around to demand that she not lie, she'll do just that. The diarist is correct.

Yes,the diarist is correct and many here know it,but unfortunately  the Obama camp either don't know it or  they choose to fight by taking the moral high ground.Well thats fine and Obama will have  plenty of time on his hands after McCain is elected to contemplate on that losing strategy.


by Lodgemannered on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:17:29 AM EST
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It's not a matter of Gibson asking her questions in a "nice amiabl"e way.She won't be putting forward  any opinions  views  or other bullshit,that aren't in lock step with what her party want her to put forward ,AND because it's Gibson, she'll get a free ride.
What  she'll be on the record  as saying will be what she was told to say ,parrot fashion.If you believe otherwise your wrong ,crazy ,..or both.
This is stage managed from start to finish and you will know nothing more about the real Palin after that  interview.
Put her on with Jon Stewart.Let her get grilled by Jack Cafferty or Bill Maher  or anyone at CNN ,MSNBC,NBC ,CBS, .. and the rest,who have any balls  or any spine( names totally escape me at the moment) THEY WOULDN'T DARE.That's why this so called "interview" is utter bullshit and why I won't be watching.
Greenwald is totally right.Unless Democrats start getting REALLY TOUGH,and play those assholes at their own game, this election will be lost.Of that I am very certain, and time is rapidly running out.
by Lodgemannered on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 05:54:54 AM EST
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Gibson is a glass of water. (none / 0)

Greenwald says as much, and that's been my observation, too.


...at least she will be on the record with something.

IMHO, you're setting the bar pretty low here.

What Greenwald's saying, and where I vehemently concur is that if we sit around waiting for something to happen, that's not a strategy.

The winning strategy is Democrats to come out with guns blazing! And, we should be aiming at McCain and the GOP, in general.

Wasting ammunition on Palin is, in many ways, exactly that.


by bobswern on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:36:35 PM EST

Re: Gibson is a glass of water. (none / 0)

I agree except I don't think going after Palin is "wasting ammunition." By whatever bizarre alchemy it is Palin who turned McCains campaign around while it is also Palin who has the most liabilities to aim at. Gibson will at least have to ask her about troopergate and get her on the record saying the firing had nothing to do with her brother in law. Then, as evidence comes out from the investigation, it should become clear to the American people that she lied.


by Mystylplx on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:45:37 PM EST
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How should the Democrats have fought (1.00 / 1)

the character attacks, and use of class resentment by the Republicans?

By choosing Hillary as nominee. She and Bill knew better than anyone how to fight back. She appealed to working class whites -- the classic Reagan voters -- who were precisely the ones who were most susceptible to Republican tactics.

Everyone on the Clinton side said that it would be thus. It now is thus.

So if you feel that the Democrats don't know how to handle this, put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the Obama supporters who refused utterly to listen to reason and insisted that their guy knew some magic unknown to all others that would make the problem go away.


by frankly0 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:44:46 PM EST

Re: How should the Democrats have fought (2.00 / 1)

Bill was good at that. Hillary wasn't/isn't. Believe it or not they really are two very different people with different strengths and weaknesses. Hillary might like to go on the attack, but just isn't very good at it. Bill has the ability to tear down an opponent while smiling and sounding like it's really a compliment.


by Mystylplx on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:50:55 PM EST
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Re: How should the Democrats have fought (none / 0)

100% correct.  But it should be surrogates such as Bubba, not the ticket working in the mud.  There has to be a distance between Obama/Biden and them so we won't be hearing complaints of "the politics of personal destruction" from the Hannitys of the world.

And damn, I can't think of someone who is better at this type of polytickin' than Bubba, god bless 'im.

Funny to see all those crocodile tears so freely falling from all those asshats such as Rove, Morris, Rush, and Loofah boy.  Their on-air contortions are exquisite.


I might be crazy... but are you seeing what I'm seeing?
by mydailydrunk on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 03:54:57 AM EST
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In short, (1.00 / 1)

how do Democrats manage again and again to fall victim to Republican attacks based on resentment and character?

By choosing the wrong candidates.

Obama would be case in point.


by frankly0 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:00:00 AM EST
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Re: How should the Democrats have fought (2.00 / 0)

Yeah??? And if he  had chosen Hillary ,he would have been  been pounded even further for  being week and giving in to the pressure put on him.  "The Clintons own Obama"  or similar would have been  something you would have heard on a daily basis.It would have  been a nightmare for him ,so he chose not to go down that path AND had he chosen Hillary ,then there is no way in hell that The republicans would have picked Palin  as their running mate choice  It was a chess move ..plain and simple.


by Lodgemannered on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:08:02 AM EST
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Re: Greenwald: 'Don't wait. Go for their jugular!' (2.00 / 1)

a very good sign that we are setting the tone of the election is if the Republicans are screaming foul...that unfortunately is not happening. Obama is reacting and being defensive. His entire interview with ABC this morning sounded like someone pushed to a corner and forced to react to all those myriad negative ads that he did not answer, that labeled him as the elitist Washington insider. His biggest mistake was to distance himself from Gen. Clark who at least made an attempt to knock down McCain's POW meme. Now he has to fight POW, sexism, maverick and reform. He cannot do that with this high-minded "issue" based campaign. The answer is a broad offensive attack plan with multiple ads by which he defines the McCain-Palin ticket, casts doubts on their character and credibility and in that way once again snatch the initiative. Will the Republicans accuse him of partisanship, sure they will but he will again dictate the momentum. Is it negative? Yes it is but it is also effective. If he does not do that he might as well start writing his concession speech.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:48:00 PM EST

Glenn should replace Axelrod (none / 0)

or perhaps Obama himself.

Unfortunately, we're getting our asses kicked and our ticket refuses to fight.


by Geekesque on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:56:45 PM EST

Obama was at his strongest... (2.00 / 1)

...10 days ago at Mile-High Stadium, when he came out as strongly as he did nailing the Republicans.

Essentially, little's changed since then, and Obama needs to recapture those talking points.

If Obama sticks with: "Enough!" ...and..."Own your failure," along with an underscoring theme about the mismanagement of our economy, we will win this election.

There is a "continuity of theme" problem in our party's communications effort(s). On top of that, we're playing far too much defense, when just the opposite should be the case.

If the McCain/Palin lie in response to that, we should call then on it!

Axelrod's national experience is comprised of 10 minutes with the Simon for President effort in 2000, and Iowa for John Edwards in 2004.

If it wasn't for Plouffe's awesome management of our ground game and Obama's brilliant charisma and oratorical skills, we wouldn't even be in this fight with a decent chance of winning right now.

With Palin's presence in the race, the neo-theo-cons have been reinvigorated and with that has come a resurgence of the GOP'ers own ground game.

What was a distinct advantage for our side this cycle is now not quite as overwhelmingly in our favor as it was even 10 days ago.

What that leaves us with is an air game where we are getting our asses handed to us, your snark aside.

This is an objective and pretty accurate overview of the state of affairs in this campaign, if I say so, myself.

We're going through a Republican bounce right now. I realize that. But, the GOP being anywhere from 3 to 10 points ahead, depending upon which poll you read, as of September 8th, is certainly no cause for Democrats anywhere to act glibly or smugly in response.

The pool of undecideds doesn't get any/much larger than it is now from this point forward. In fact, just the opposite happens. Essentially, we have about another month to really state our case and make inroads.

All this talk about "60 days left until the election" belies the reality that whomever's ahead by mid-October is pretty much going to win this thing. And, that's just the CW supported by historical reality, too.


by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:34:36 AM EST
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Re: Obama was at his strongest... (2.00 / 1)

It IS fortunate for us that Rachel Maddow will be getting her show when she will. She can and probably will actually say the things nobody else wants to say. Show the evidence nobody wants to show. Or at least I like to think she'll try.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:42:31 AM EST
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Re: Greenwald: 'Don't wait. Go for their jugular!' (2.00 / 1)

Damn straight Bob!  This is the clarion call.

Let's get at 'em.  I ain't afraid of taking them...head on.  

Let hit 'em where they'll notice it.

;-)


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:57:08 PM EST

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My sentiments, exactly!


by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:37:21 AM EST
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I feel bad every time you post that I was rude to you when you were first here.

A-fucking-men and fucking-a, man. I'm sick of the people on here saying "oh, don't talk bad about Palin!" As if they know what works, as if they weren't eager for Hillary to do it.

The media is failing to do its jobs, and as usual, the Democrats have to MAKE them do their job. Get people out there EVERY NIGHT to beat the hell out of Republicans. LIE. CHEAT. MOCK. Who gives a damn? You'll have plenty of time to roll over if Obama loses, venerable Democratic officials.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:49:48 AM EST

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No biggie as far as the earlier contentiousness was concerned. None at all.

The important thing is we should all understand we're on the same team now.

There's way too much at stake.

If people have a problem with me stating the damn truth--that Obama's air game is not up to the quality of his ground game and the candidate's own charisma and oratorical skills--then they're in denial.

And, Geek, if you're reading this, you know who I'd like scripting and managing Obama's media from this point forward? Whomever wrote Obama's damn acceptance speech at Mile-High Stadium 10 days ago! If it was Obama, himself, then so be it! Axelrod is NOT cutting it.


by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:10:58 AM EST
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I agree (none / 0)

Lie, cheat , steal, distort ir no longer matters.  It works for the republicans and the media never calls them on it, or they do and its a small blurb that no one ever reads after the initial bomb throwing.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:56:34 AM EST

Re: I agree (none / 0)

Not even exaggerating. I don't know of a way the GOP actually cheated this week, but I know they did the other three.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:07:48 AM EST
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Trust me on this.... (2.00 / 1)

...everyday, in states across this country, the GOP are doing "whatever it takes," including cheating, to win this election.

Somewhere, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, a GOP operative is planning out or implementing some form of voter suppression, dirty tricks and/or gutter-slime communications.

If you're running against the GOP, they're cheating 24/7/365. Count on it. It's just "history we didn't know..." (yet)


by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:15:40 AM EST
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Re: Trust me on this.... (2.00 / 1)


 Politics is a mean business, and when September rolls around in a presidential campaign, it gets mean on a level that is beyond most people's comprehension. The White House is the most powerful office in the world, and a lot of people will tell you that NOTHING is over the line when it comes down to winning or losing the presidency of the United States. Nobody is safe and nothing is sacred when the stakes finally get that high. It is the ultimate fast lane, and the people still on their feet in September are usually the meanest of the mean. The last train out of any station will not be full of nice guys.

--Hunter S. Thompson, quote from "Better Than Sex"


by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:13:10 AM EST
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Re: Trust me on this.... (none / 0)

One of the best descriptions of the business ever written, by one of the most astute political observer ever.

Loved the bit about when he gave Bubba the saxaphone reed in the diner.

Makes me nostalgic for the days when Carville still appeared to give a fuck about something other than winning the process.

Gotta go and get my F&L on the Campaign Trail '72 out of strorage.


I might be crazy... but are you seeing what I'm seeing?
by mydailydrunk on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 04:03:44 AM EST
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Bloody their noses damn it!
Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:10:54 AM EST

Don't just take the gloves off... (none / 0)

...throw them away and buy a pair of brass knuckles!

The public loves it when our Harvard-educated, "elite" candidate does just that!

It's like: "Hmmm...he's brilliant, and he can handle himself in a figurative bar brawl, too! Cool!"

Damn right!

Fellow Dems, the voting public EATS this up!

There'll be plenty of time to buy a nice, new set of gloves between the election and the inauguration... thankyouverymuch!


by bobswern on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:24:16 AM EST
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Where are they? (none / 0)

I haven't heard anything from them all weekend?!?

I'm giving them 24 hours to hear something, or... Well, I don't know what. But I want to start seeing blood.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:55:20 AM EST
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